Comments on: Video accessories for the Canon 5D Mark II: Part 1 – Microphones http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/ Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:57:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: Separate audio syncing just got easier with new DualEyes at Dan Carr Photography – Photography Product Reviews + Ski, Snowboard and adventure photography tips http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-3304 Separate audio syncing just got easier with new DualEyes at Dan Carr Photography – Photography Product Reviews + Ski, Snowboard and adventure photography tips Fri, 04 Jun 2010 04:57:13 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-3304 [...] with a Canon DSLR you already know the audio sucks.  Or even if you don’t, maybe you have read my guide to audio and microphones for these cameras ! Recording your audio separately is without a doubt the way to get the highest quality audio track [...] [...] with a Canon DSLR you already know the audio sucks.  Or even if you don’t, maybe you have read my guide to audio and microphones for these cameras ! Recording your audio separately is without a doubt the way to get the highest quality audio track [...]

]]> By: Roreenfon http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-116 Roreenfon Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:23:51 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-116 dancarrphotography.com - now in my rss reader))) dancarrphotography.com – now in my rss reader)))

]]> By: Michael http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-109 Michael Mon, 26 Jan 2009 17:41:51 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-109 Here's the Canon EOS 5D audio sync issue or problem. Last Wednesday I used my two 5D MkII's in a 3 camera music video shoot. The third camera was a Sony PMW-EX1. Audio was recorded on two additional devices. One audio recording device was an Edirol R4 Pro. The other audio recording setup was a Tascam USB Interface to a MacBook Pro. The Sony Camera, Edirol, and Tascam/MacBook Pro devices all synced sound perfectly over the full duration of the shoot (just over 20 minutes). To clarify - once the different sources are sync'd quickly and easily to the slate clap on the waveform at the beginning of the shoot they all stayed perfectly in sync for the rest of the video. Both Canon cameras audio and video sync'd perfectly to each other but drifted significantly from the other 3 devices even over a 3 minute segment. The is a very serious problem for me and one that introduces significant post-production trouble and expense. This issue was so unexpected (I haven't run into this in years of working with a range of equipment) that I performed 3 subsequent tests to confirm that the 5D MkII's run too fast. The results from the tests show both of my 5D Mark II run about 14 frames too fast in 10 minutes. Audio that is 1 full frame out of sync is noticeable on sharp sounds causing an echo. Audio that is 2 or 3 frames out of sync causes echo on any sound and looks odd in terms of lip sync. That the two Canon cameras audio sync'd OK to each other tells me that the cameras can be calibrated to a standard. Evidently they are just calibrated to an incorrect standard. Anybody else experience this? Does anybody really know if this is likely a chip issue or a firmware issue? Does anyone know an easy reliable way to get the clips to conform to the standard without time-consuming constant tweaking? I contacted Canon tech support and the girl there couldn't care less. She said: There is no fix and that the 5d isn't really a video camera so what did I expect? Nice! Here’s the Canon EOS 5D audio sync issue or problem.

Last Wednesday I used my two 5D MkII’s in a 3 camera music video shoot. The third camera was a Sony PMW-EX1. Audio was recorded on two additional devices. One audio recording device was an Edirol R4 Pro. The other audio recording setup was a Tascam USB Interface to a MacBook Pro.

The Sony Camera, Edirol, and Tascam/MacBook Pro devices all synced sound perfectly over the full duration of the shoot (just over 20 minutes). To clarify – once the different sources are sync’d quickly and easily to the slate clap on the waveform at the beginning of the shoot they all stayed perfectly in sync for the rest of the video.

Both Canon cameras audio and video sync’d perfectly to each other but drifted significantly from the other 3 devices even over a 3 minute segment. The is a very serious problem for me and one that introduces significant post-production trouble and expense.

This issue was so unexpected (I haven’t run into this in years of working with a range of equipment) that I performed 3 subsequent tests to confirm that the 5D MkII’s run too fast. The results from the tests show both of my 5D Mark II run about 14 frames too fast in 10 minutes. Audio that is 1 full frame out of sync is noticeable on sharp sounds causing an echo. Audio that is 2 or 3 frames out of sync causes echo on any sound and looks odd in terms of lip sync.

That the two Canon cameras audio sync’d OK to each other tells me that the cameras can be calibrated to a standard. Evidently they are just calibrated to an incorrect standard.

Anybody else experience this? Does anybody really know if this is likely a chip issue or a firmware issue? Does anyone know an easy reliable way to get the clips to conform to the standard without time-consuming constant tweaking?

I contacted Canon tech support and the girl there couldn’t care less. She said: There is no fix and that the 5d isn’t really a video camera so what did I expect? Nice!

]]> By: Harlan http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-94 Harlan Mon, 19 Jan 2009 20:12:29 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-94 I am unsure as to whether or not the video shuts off with audio monitoring... it was something I read on another forum. I didn't think you could monitor it either. That is useful information about the new beachtek for the 5d though with a headphone plug... I will definitely be getting that, however it still doesn't solve the overall issue of having to rely on a mini plug into the camera, anyone who has ever shot ENG or fast paced hand held style videography in the field knows what can happen to your sound when a mini plug is bumped or loosened by accident. So it is a limitation to the camera but a small one. Alot of the cheaper con-sumer video cameras only have mini plug, and the pro-sumer cameras have XLR for that very reason. The point about the issue of the 5d AUTOMATICALLY adjusting the sound is something I read about as well and is of concern to me too... more information on that would be very useful. I finally found a 5d in stock on Adorama and it is shipping today so perhaps I will get some answers soon. I am unsure as to whether or not the video shuts off with audio monitoring… it was something I read on another forum. I didn’t think you could monitor it either. That is useful information about the new beachtek for the 5d though with a headphone plug…
I will definitely be getting that, however it still doesn’t solve the overall issue of having to rely on a mini plug into the camera, anyone who has ever shot ENG or fast paced hand held style videography in the field knows what can happen to your sound when a mini plug is bumped or loosened by accident. So it is a limitation to the camera but a small one. Alot of the cheaper con-sumer video cameras only have mini plug, and the pro-sumer cameras have XLR for that very reason. The point about the issue of the 5d AUTOMATICALLY adjusting the sound is something I read about as well and is of concern to me too… more information on that would be very useful. I finally found a 5d in stock on Adorama and it is shipping today so perhaps I will get some answers soon.

]]> By: Michael G http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-78 Michael G Fri, 09 Jan 2009 04:59:08 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-78 I recently purchased the 5D Mark II and I am impressed with the camera. I didn't want to spend money on a new field monitor and I was hoping to use an HDMI to HD-SDI AJA converter box. No go though, when you press record on the camera, the signal turns black. When you stop recording, it reappears. I also tried this on another monitor with an actual HDMI input and the test turned out fine. SO, the problems lies with any adapter boxes. It just won't work so I just ordered an Ikan V8000HDMI. About the sound issue, I did connect an 1/8" adapter to XLR. I then connected one of my boom mics to the adapter and did some test sound recordings. I was able to apply some filters within Soundtrack Pro and it actually sounded great. I'm excited to see the Beachtek adapter so I can monitor the sound. THE ONLY CONCERN... from what I understand is that the 5D Mark II will adjust the levels AUTOMATICALLY. Does the BeackTek adapter fix this feature. I would think this couldn't be changed within the software of the 5D. mgstudio.com I recently purchased the 5D Mark II and I am impressed with the camera. I didn’t want to spend money on a new field monitor and I was hoping to use an HDMI to HD-SDI AJA converter box. No go though, when you press record on the camera, the signal turns black. When you stop recording, it reappears. I also tried this on another monitor with an actual HDMI input and the test turned out fine. SO, the problems lies with any adapter boxes. It just won’t work so I just ordered an Ikan V8000HDMI.

About the sound issue, I did connect an 1/8″ adapter to XLR. I then connected one of my boom mics to the adapter and did some test sound recordings. I was able to apply some filters within Soundtrack Pro and it actually sounded great. I’m excited to see the Beachtek adapter so I can monitor the sound. THE ONLY CONCERN… from what I understand is that the 5D Mark II will adjust the levels AUTOMATICALLY. Does the BeackTek adapter fix this feature. I would think this couldn’t be changed within the software of the 5D.

mgstudio.com

]]> By: Mike http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-72 Mike Tue, 06 Jan 2009 12:22:28 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-72 I'm going to get a portable WAV recorder and use that. I can line up the audio on the timeline and have the benefit of being able to be recording even when the 4 gig 5D video file limit has been reached. I can then fill the gaps with 'cut aways' etc. I’m going to get a portable WAV recorder and use that. I can line up the audio on the timeline and have the benefit of being able to be recording even when the 4 gig 5D video file limit has been reached. I can then fill the gaps with ‘cut aways’ etc.

]]> By: brad kugler http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-55 brad kugler Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:45:02 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-55 what i am really looking for is something to smooth out the zoom and manual focus while shooting video. using your hand to zoom and focus really detracts from the beautiful HD quality. Very jumpy. Anyone know of any motorized solutions for the 5D2 to handle this problem? Brad what i am really looking for is something to smooth out the zoom and manual focus while shooting video. using your hand to zoom and focus really detracts from the beautiful HD quality. Very jumpy.

Anyone know of any motorized solutions for the 5D2 to handle this problem?

Brad

]]> By: Dan Carr http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-42 Dan Carr Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:18:25 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-42 Thanks Harlan, thats good advice for sure. I must admit i havent hear about the video monitoring shutting off when monitoring audio....i actually didn't think you could monitor audio on the 5d? There isnt an audio output so how would you do this? Please enlighten me! :) I guess when it comes down to it, an external audio recording device is the solution to the problems but they are fairly expensive. Thanks Harlan, thats good advice for sure. I must admit i havent hear about the video monitoring shutting off when monitoring audio….i actually didn’t think you could monitor audio on the 5d? There isnt an audio output so how would you do this? Please enlighten me! :)

I guess when it comes down to it, an external audio recording device is the solution to the problems but they are fairly expensive.

]]> By: Harlan http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-37 Harlan Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:57:37 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-37 Hey There, I am a professional TV photographer and amateur still photographer who has sold both his Canon 5D and 1D Mark II to purchase the 5D mark II. I just wanted to offer my advice in regards to the importance of sound when shooting video, and the limitations and workarounds I expect to be dealing with in the new 5D Mark II. Audio is SUPER important in the over all quality in, and at least half the emotion you feel when watching a moving piece... and the fact that the 5DMII only has a "mini-plug" mic jack is a serious downside... one issue is that in many camera systems(video or still) any time that you touch or bump the "mini-plug" it can and often does cause breaks, spikes or hisses in the audio quality. The best option is using a "Beachtek" adapter so that you can get a professional standard XLR plug mic system working, that you can monitor and adjust, and that can use two audio source tracks. In addition I have read elsewhere that when you plug in headphones to monitor audio you loose the viewfinder, which is disconcerting since, that makes it especially difficult to monitor both audio and video at the same time. So long story short... hissing or any other audio issue can be a result of the compatibility and or quality of the "mini plug" going into the 5DMII's 1/8th" mic jack. Good quality audio is such an important and hard to achieve issue especially in a journalistic fast paced news gathering environment that I almost considered holding off buying the 5dMKII but I will probably end up buying the 5dMII anyway just to shoot with that stunning still and video quality, and I will just be as careful as I can and get the best mic system I can afford and hope cannon comes out with some firmware to fix the audio monitoring with headphones shutting of the viewfinder issue. Regards, H Hey There,

I am a professional TV photographer and amateur still photographer who has sold both his Canon 5D and 1D Mark II to purchase the 5D mark II. I just wanted to offer my advice in regards to the importance of sound when shooting video, and the limitations and workarounds I expect to be dealing with in the new 5D Mark II.
Audio is SUPER important in the over all quality in, and at least half the emotion you feel when watching a moving piece… and the fact that the 5DMII only has a “mini-plug” mic jack is a serious downside… one issue is that in many camera systems(video or still) any time that you touch or bump the “mini-plug” it can and often does cause breaks, spikes or hisses in the audio quality. The best option is using a “Beachtek” adapter so that you can get a professional standard XLR plug mic system working, that you can monitor and adjust, and that can use two audio source tracks. In addition I have read elsewhere that when you plug in headphones to monitor audio you loose the viewfinder, which is disconcerting since, that makes it especially difficult to monitor both audio and video at the same time. So long story short… hissing or any other audio issue can be a result of the compatibility and or quality of the “mini plug” going into the 5DMII’s 1/8th” mic jack. Good quality audio is such an important and hard to achieve issue especially in a journalistic fast paced news gathering environment that I almost considered holding off buying the 5dMKII but I will probably end up buying the 5dMII anyway just to shoot with that stunning still and video quality, and I will just be as careful as I can and get the best mic system I can afford and hope cannon comes out with some firmware to fix the audio monitoring with headphones shutting of the viewfinder issue.

Regards,
H

]]> By: Steve Smede http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/2008/11/30/video-accessories-for-the-canon-5d-mark-ii-part-1-microphones/comment-page-1/#comment-28 Steve Smede Sun, 14 Dec 2008 03:19:31 +0000 http://dancarrphotography.com/blog/?p=400#comment-28 Great info! I just picked up a $30 Radio Shack mic and a stereo-to 1/8" jack converter. Works like a charm...I think. It records voices well with minimal static or hiss or "room noise." Great info! I just picked up a $30 Radio Shack mic and a stereo-to 1/8″ jack converter. Works like a charm…I think. It records voices well with minimal static or hiss or “room noise.”

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